Just_Buy_It @ 5:11 am

Thank you kindly for the Silver chart.

Those little 300 DMA lines just keep on keep’in on dont they?

Hope you are saving all that hard work, all those charts. I see a book in the making in a few years. A book for history, when you compile the past 5 or 10years, of what ‘happened’, and why a few goldbugs, and some silver bugs too, fared well, in a time of turmoil and fiancial disaster that has befallen. Perhaps a literary venture written too late to help most, but at least they will be able to look back, reflect, and understand how it happened, that living under the nearest bridge came to be. Perhaps even a few, will remember the words of a friend, even a family member, who once upon a time…..expressed an opinion to buy gold. ???

But perhaps this evening all is not quite lost. Learned from a major seed company recently that this past year’s seed sales set a new all time record. Hmmmm….sounds like some are working on plans to at least eat. Reckon its a start. Shows some personal thinking, involment in taking over a part of thier life. Doubt they got the idea from any of the media, or ‘Financial News’ shows. So maybe some are figuring out a few things on thier own. ‘Prepping’ as Ms Moggy would say.

Once again, thanks for keeping this Forum up to date. Best, Farmboy

Ike @ 23:32 pm

LOL!!!

OK, If Have have to explain the Paris Hilton comment, its obvious you are an old coger. (like me)

Rather to go into sorid detail of Ms Paris….hmmmm…lets rephrase the comment to read something perhaps more understandable. (grin)

Even ‘Goofy’, ‘Yosemite Sam’, or ‘Wile E Coyote’, all cartoon characters of dubios wisdom, could do a better job than Bernaked. (grin)

Best Farmboy, (who has decided if I cant get a good belly laugh out of all this craziness…..I would be insane. Correction, make that insan..er)

Ike @ 20:46 pm

A Ratchet or a Screw….

I aint smart enough to understand all the inner goings on in the banking/financial industries. And perhaps even worse, have no hope of understanding. But that article hit the gut in machine gun fashion. Hit places that while I may never understand the dark details, it left me gasping for breath. Knowing in places the mind dont really know….that there was a whole lot of truth in those words. AFter a chance to catch my breath, it left me knowing more in the gut, than the mind, that things are a WHOLE lot worse, than what the media and banksters are letting on.

And I am simple of mind enough to understand, that NOT knowing all the details dont make it less correct, or true. And actually, reinforces an old idea I once had upon a time. An idea expressed by one of those high flaluten folks from the Council On Foreign Affairs. A qoute he made that has stuck with me for a time now. “The Creative Destruction’ of America. And the proponets of the North American Union…..and the introduction of the ‘Amero’. I kinda figured they would destroy our economy, the dollar, to achieve thier worldly goals. Seems to me, thier plans are marching on. And few even have a clue.

Good job, and thanks for posting that this evening. Best, Farmboy

Farmboy…….please further explain…….:-)

Farmboy (who thinks even Brittney Spears/Paris Hilton, could do a better job than Sir Greenspan or Bernaked)

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Equisetum @ 23:21 pm

Cheers, and Enjoy Your July 1st Holiday.

Perhaps best celebrated by adding a few ounces to a woodpile eh? Or at least getting around to painting some ole tractors. (grin)

As to ‘celebrating’ the American July 4th,….I think I will wait for the next Boston Tea Party to get really excited. IF Americans ever awake from thier stupor, to have another Boston Tea Party. Fireworks and parades just dont seem to excite me much any more. Perhaps some public hangings in the Capitol for Treason charges might do it. (grin)

Anyways best to you this evening. Thought of you today as I pulled, tugged, cursed….lol….with some Kudza vines overrunning the fence line. Hope your hand to hand battles with the ivory is keeping your mind occupied with other things besides the collapse of modern civilzation. (grin) Farmboy

silverffox52 @ 22:30 pm

The article you posted, “The Shrinking Influence of the Federal Reserve’…

Think it might have something to do with the ‘Shrinking Dolla’, and the ‘Shrinking Economy’ as well.

Great find, great post. Plenty of thought making in that one. Somehow, leads me to find a little more peace, comfort, in every single ounce. Dusty said today, he could not carry a tune in a bushel basket. ….But I betcha he has a load of ounces, and a little lead to boot. Just in case.

Best to you and yours, Farmboy (who thinks even Brittney Spears/Paris Hilton, could do a better job than Sir Greenspan or Bernaked)

Tonight, and over the past few days, I get depressed

reading many of the messages posted or linked on Goldtent.  Is something unpleasant about to happen? 

Is there someone with a buoyant message that they would like to post?

Dusty, thank you for that message at 22:18.  I look forward to relaxing and enjoying Canada’s one hundred and forty-first birthday tomorrow.  Cheers, all.  Equiz.

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by John Galt

June 30, 2008

This week will bring my review of how I did on my December 28th prediction program on the Q-Files but the news last night sort of hacked me off just a wee bit. Our nation is now officially nothing more than an overgrown banana republic with a lot of large crumbling interstates and some really foolish people managing our nation’s affairs. It is our fault, our parent’s fault, and anyone who has voted since 1932 has some part of the blame. This headline and story says it all:

The Shrinking Influence of the US Federal Reserve

So why is this article got me peeved beyond belief? Read these paragraphs from the article:

“Another problem for Mr. Dollar is that it will be several months before his actions take effect. Officials with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) have informed Bernanke about a plan that would have been unheard-of in the past: a general examination of the US financial system. The IMF’s board of directors has ruled that a so-called Financial Sector Assessment Program (FSAP) is to be carried out in the United States. It is nothing less than an X-ray of the entire US financial system.

As part of the assessment, the Fed, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), the major investment banks, mortgage banks and hedge funds will be asked to hand over confidential documents to the IMF team. They will be required to answer the questions they are asked during interviews. Their databases will be subjected to so-called stress tests — worst-case scenarios designed to simulate the broader effects of failures of other major financial institutions or a continuing decline of the dollar.”

Did everyone catch that again? That’s right, we are being investigated by the organization we helped found to control, investigate and maintain the banana repbulics we funded and controlled worldwide.

Now we are a banana republic with a buffoon running our central bank, a buffoon running our Executive Branch and 535 morons running the Legislative Branch.

I’m so optimistic I could just do cartwheels.

The refusal by our government and banksters to mark the garbage to market, take the short term hit and start over with a brief recession could instead bring the entire “current” world system of financial exchange to a crashing halt. With inflation doing exactly what I said it would do one year ago and assets which were never considered susceptible to a major decline falling not 1% per month but 5% and 10% plus, namely houses and other real estate, the U.S. no longer has control of its own future. We have sold our souls and Lucifer is here to collect. The choices we have to lead this nation in November do not reassure  yours truly obviously either so what does this mean, now that our country’s economic superstructure is being treated like a 1950’s Honduran junta?

It means you now have lost control of the future, politically and economically, for the foreseeable future. We have to have a massive collapse before we rebuild.

That collapse is underway. My lack of faith in the officials that run this nation and manage our economy that I have professed for over two years appears to have been justified. Hopefully those that paid attention prepared their economic and personal lives for what is about to come.

Got Chiquita?

www.johngaltfla.com/

2_point sorry

 meant for the link to be to the full 2 hr movie.

 Google: Esoteric Agenda Full Movie

 Quite good actually.

  Just thought you might be interested because of some of your links - Wilcock etc. :)

Cheers to all Canadians on Canada Day tomorrow.


Mysterious explosion at Iranian military facility

DEBKAfile Special Report

June 30, 2008, 6:45 PM (GMT+02:00)

DEBKAfile’s Iranian sources report that an explosion Monday, June 30, at Bidganeh near the town of Shahriar 40 kilometers east of Tehran occurred at a military installation, not a civilian building as Tehran claimed.

At first, the Iranian authorities reported 15 people were killed, correcting this later to no casualties. The precise function of the targeted facility is not known. While Iran claimed the blast was caused by a gas leak, Western military sources are skeptical and believe the authorities are trying to cover up some sort of sabotage.

Debkafile

US Fifth Fleet Chief: Iran will not be allowed to close Strait of Hormuz

June 30, 2008, 10:06 PM (GMT+02:00)

At a media briefing in Bahrain Monday, June 30, US Vice-Admiral Kevin Cosgriff warned that the United States and its allies would not allow Iran to hamper shipping in the Gulf and close the Strait of Hormuz which carries oil from the world’s largest oil exporting region.

The US fleet commander was responding to a threat Saturday from Iran’s Revolutionary Guards commander, Ali Mohammed Jafari, that Tehran would impose controls on the Gulf and the strategic strait if Iran were attacked.

Maya, 00:03,12:11

I was going to guess “double helix”; wow, pretty close since I know virtually nothing about them.   But a local public radio station once used the term, and it looked familiar.

Wow -Ike

Telling me!

Cheers frr

Sprott says it all so well

Ratchet (financial definition): An anti-dilutive provision where an investor is granted
additional shares of stock without charge if the company later sells the shares at a
lower price.

Screw (Sprott definition): A highly dilutive provision where an existing investor is
granted, without his approval or knowledge, an increasingly smaller share of the
company at an increasingly lower exit price (usually the result of a ratchet bestowed
on other investors).

Is it a ratchet or a screw? We’ll let our readers be the judge. But whatever you call it, and
punning aside, the evidence grows daily of a disturbing trend in place that is leaving existing
shareholders nailed. As the troubled financial sector continues to post massive loss after
massive loss, and inundate the markets with equity offering after equity offering after equity
offering, it would appear that transparency has taken a back seat to the banking industry’s
desperate need to raise capital from whomever would buy it and at whatever terms would
cinch the deal – even if it involves selling their souls to the devil. Unbeknownst to the
shareholders of these financial institutions, they are having the wool pulled over their eyes
by being subjected to the possibility of bottomless dilution with less than forthright
disclosure. As we’ve long written, we believe the banking system is effectively bankrupt.
They are dead men walking. The fact that they are unable to raise capital the old fashioned
way (selling common shares at market prices) is proof positive of our thesis.
Instead, they have to compel investors to buy their sorry shares through either way-belowmarket
rights issues (an abhorrent abuse of capitalism that invariably results in a freefall) or
by baiting new investors with no-brainer can’t-lose ratchet provisions. Either way, existing
shareholders are taking it on the chin. But the banks don’t care. Neither do the regulators
nor the Treasury nor the Fed. Capital must be raised come what may! It’s gotten so bad
that the very viability of the financial system seems to hinge on whether or not the next
equity offering can be pulled off without a hitch. It’s a misallocation of capital of tremendous
proportions, for the sector that is currently in the greatest need of capital is also the sector
least worthy to receive it.

The horrendous performance of financial stocks of late speaks for itself – perhaps the
markets aren’t so easily fooled. But those investors tempted to bargain hunt best beware.
Due to lack of transparency running amok, investing in the financial sector is chalk full of
minefields. One example that immediately comes to mind is an article in the Wall Street
Journal last week titled “Banks Find New Ways to Ease Pain of Bad Loans” . Have the
banks done something value-added here? Have they actually found ways to mitigate their
losses by improving their recoveries of bad loans? 1

Not at all. The article is about how some banks, even big ones like Wells Fargo, are using accounting gimmicks to make it seem like things are getting better. For example, “improving” the write-off rate of
nonperforming home equity loans by changing the past-due time period (after which they are
deemed to be in default) from 120 days to 180 days. Or offloading troubled loans onto
subsidiaries, thereby erasing them from their own books and improving their regulatory
capital level, even though the bank is still fully accountable and liable for the losses that are
eventually incurred from these bad loans. It’s a wonderful magic trick – now you see them…
now you don’t! Would that all bad loans can be made to disappear so easily. Unfortunately
for the banking industry, accounting trickery does not reality make. They are merely gaming
the system to make things look better than they really are, in the hopes that unwary
investors will be lulled into believing that things are improving when they are not.

Another recent example that got our goat is courtesy of Lehman Brothers. On the day of closing their
$6 billion equity offering, they announce a management shake-up whereby the CFO and the
President and COO are replaced. 2 We would question why such a material decision, which
seems unlikely to have happened overnight, wasn’t mentioned before the offering. Could it
be that the spirit of full disclosure, lest it hinder the equity offering, must fall by the wayside?
But the most egregious example of lack of transparency (a.k.a. turning the screws on
existing shareholders) is the “full ratchet” provision that has recently come to our attention
and, doubtless, is currently making the rounds of many of the recent equity offerings in order
to sweeten the deal for reticent investors who have sizeable cash to invest. It would appear
that in order for the equity raise to succeed, lead investors are being given preferential
treatment at the expense of existing shareholders who are being subjected to the potential
for limitless dilution should financial stocks continue to go down in value. Such provisions
are appalling, but what is even more appalling is that the existence of these not
inconsequential provisions is only coming out of the woodwork in the footnotes of
subsequent 10-Q’s. It’s an abomination of supposedly free and transparent Western
financial markets.

But first, here’s a skill-testing question for our readers: Even though hundreds of billions of
dollars of capital have been raised by the financial sector over the past several months,
which of the investors in a financial institution have made money since their initial
investment? Answer: Zero. We can’t think of one. They are all underwater. When Abu
Dhabi first invested $7.5 billion in Citigroup last November, Citi’s stock was $35.
Subsequently, when Citi did their $14.5 billion raise in January, the stock was trading at $30.
Today Citigroup’s stock is under $20… and it keeps falling. Merrill Lynch did a combined
raise of $12.8 billion in December and January at $48. Now the stock is under $35… and
also falling. Warburg Pinkus made their now infamous $1 billion investment in MBIA at $31
per share. MBIA has fallen over 80% since and is now trading at under $5 per share.
Those who participated in Ambac’s $1.5 billion rights issue in March are down a similar
amount, 80%, as the stock now hovers under $2. Bank of America made their initial
investment in Countrywide Financial last August at $18 per share (rather surprising to us,
given that Countrywide looked to be going bankrupt if BofA didn’t come to the rescue). Bank
of America subsequently made a takeover offer in January. Today Countrywide shares can
be got for under $5 per share. TPG invested in Washington Mutual to the tune of $7 billion
at $8.75 per share, a substantial discount at the time to WaMu’s stock price of $13. Today
WaMu’s stock is $6. Last month AIG raised $20 billion when their stock was trading at $37
per share. Today AIG stock is just above $30 per share. Even those who participated in
Lehman Brothers’ $6 billion equity offering last week at $28 per share are already
underwater, with LEH currently trading below $24 (year-to-date Lehman’s stock is down over
60%). Smaller banks have faired no better. The shares of Colonial BancGroup, East West
Bankcorp, Huntington Bancshares, and UCBH Holdings have all fallen by over 40% since
their initial equity offerings. The list goes on. It’s never ending carnage. Ironically, thanks to
full ratchet provisions, this promises to lead to further dilution and even weaker stock
performance going forward.

We always wondered who in their right mind would invest in a financial institution that is
scrambling for capital just when the news is clearly going from bad to worse. As we already
mentioned, we believe the banking system is bankrupt. Thanks to overleverage, if all their
assets were to be marked down to what the market would be willing to pay for them, we
believe they would have no capital. Save for government Treasuries, there isn’t an asset
class on bank balance sheets that hasn’t fallen precipitously in value. What capital the
banking system does have is from recent raises, but this will likely disappear when future
massive writedowns are announced. Who would be fool enough to invest in banking
shares?

The list is growing shorter. But there were at least some smart investors who noted the
downward trend and successfully negotiated for downside protection. We know of at least
two cases (though there are doubtless others); namely, Merrill Lynch’s $12.8 billion
investment from Temasek (the Singapore sovereign wealth fund) and Washington Mutual’s
$7 billion raise from TPG (a private equity firm). Quite unbeknownst to the general public at
the time, downside protection was built into these equity raises to protect these investors.
They are called “look back” provisions or “full ratchet” compensation. We believe it is more
accurate to call them “death spiral” securities. They work as follows. The investors in the
equity raise would have their investment “protected” by a provision which states that should
the bank afterwards raise money at a lower price than what they paid, these investors would
be compensated retroactively by having their initial investment priced at this lower price,
thereby being issued new shares for free. It doesn’t take a mathematician to see how these
provisions can result in massive dilution should the bank subsequently raise even a paltry
amount of capital. A new offering will trigger a lower price because of the dilution it would
cause, which would trigger even more dilution because of the lower price, which would then
trigger an even lower price because of the even higher dilution, etc. This is why we call such
securities a death spiral. They hurt the price of any and all future equity offerings and open
the door for potentially limitless dilution of existing shareholders if and when the bank goes
to the markets for more capital at ever-lower prices.

However, unless the bank goes bankrupt, these investors can’t lose. And we already know
to what lengths the Fed will go to prevent a banking bankruptcy. It’s heads I win, tails I win.
They can even short the stock in the expectation that it will go down and still not lose. At the
next financing, which is sure to come, they will be made whole… even making money on the
short! It’s a perverse situation. Even if they don’t short (or aren’t allowed to short) they still
can’t lose. It’s like being given a free put option written by existing shareholders. They get
all the upside and existing shareholders (insult to injury) pay them on the downside! It’s the
worst way to raise equity. We wouldn’t even call it equity. It comes at a tremendous cost to
the already beaten up shareholders of these financial institutions.

How did this happen?
Because these are “private” transactions, and thus no prospectus was required at the time of
the offering. The banks disclosed only what they wanted to disclose. It is only after the fact,
in the footnotes of subsequent 10-Q’s, that shareholders (if they dig deep enough) will
realize that they got nailed/ratcheted/screwed. How many other financings were done on
this basis? Only time will tell.

In the meantime, it is little wonder that banking indices are in freefall and the demand for
new bank equity is becoming increasingly muted. Investors are finally beginning to say: no
mas! When regulators have to get involved in order to push financings through (for instance,
Bradford and Bingley in the UK), it is a signal for ordinary investors to steer clear of the
financial sector. It’s a misallocation of capital… good money chasing bad… that can
ultimately only be resolved by a massive central bank bailout. You don’t want to be a
shareholder when this happens… and in the interim be subjected to an unacceptable lack of
transparency.

Financial shares, if they weren’t already, are now toxic. They will become only more so with each equity offering.

Buygold @ 20:11 pm on June 30, 2008

Thanks for that ten minute Video Link

Good One

2_p

sabergold

Deflation, it seems simple to me, inflated prices for necessitys like food and gas, job loses, fear of job losses, and wage freezes, it’s having an effect on peoples life slyles, their not traveling as much, buying as much. Wage ganishments making it even harder on them,or repos for things on credit they can no longer pay back same scinerao before the great depression with jobs falling apart and people stopped buying the things that kept the economy going. Except this time food and fuel won’t be cheap. So we will have a inflation/ deflationary scenario. In those days there was a more extended family orientation. These days it is the nuclear family, mom, dad, 2.5 children, kids grow up go their own way. Then extended familys would pool their resourses togeather. These days were on our own. Even the biggest co. will be hurt. I was checking Toyota, Honda vs all the US car makers, wondering if they will do better with the smaller cars they produce. Well even their profits will be in a slump. Why US is going to just stop instead of making better gas economical or alternative fuel cars is beyond me other than maybe the way the economy is they can’t afford to buy them either. It’s just all a mess right now. Meanwhile banks and such won’t lens making it worse.

ment17. I thought it was only fair to warn you that

John Mauldin has an e-mail out today that is titled “The end of the inflation scare?”

Note that the question mark is inside the quotes so the question mark is Mr. Mauldin’s punctuation, not mine.  I did not think it was necessary to re-post here on Goldtent Mr. Mauldin’s e-mail article of today, since you and most Goldtenters probably see it anyway.

p.s.  I am just having verbal fun with you, as I have not even read Mr. Mauldin’s article yet, just the title.  Inflation? then deflation? or vice-versa in order?  All I know is that quite a few categories in our household budget are more costly now than they were a year ago or 6 months ago.  And as for benefitting from inflation because we can then pay of debts with increasingly cheaper dollars, I dont quite get the point unless one has an assured way of getting those dollars.  The PM markets in the months since spring 2006 have  not shown me how to accumulate dollars from capital gains or dividends from the PM stocks in our portfolio.   So if one doesnt have new sources of dollar profits from the sale of PM stocks, in my opinion it doesnt matter if the dollars are increasingly “cheaper” for paying off debts.

But I suppose I am missing something here.  And of course I am not talking here about  the “more expensive dollars” that were previously spent to purchase physical silver and gold, assets that I will not sell in the foreseeable future.

Just rambling thoughts on the evening before a national holiday, Canada Day.

Rio Wins 97% Ore Price Increase From Asia Steel Mills

By Rebecca Keenan

July 1 (Bloomberg) — Rio Tinto Group, the world’s third- largest mining company, won a price increase of as much as 97 percent for contract iron ore from all its Asian steelmaker customers, matching an agreement with Chinese mills.

Asian steel mills will pay 80 percent more for Pilbara blend fines and 97 percent more for lump product in the 12 months that began April 1, the London-based company said today in a statement. Baosteel Group Corp., China’s biggest steelmaker, agreed the new prices on June 23.

“These agreements are a strong endorsement of the settlement reached last week and reflect the very strong demand for our products across the world’s fastest-growing markets,” Rio’s iron ore chief executive Sam Walsh said in the statement.

Iron ore prices have surged for six years, raising costs for steelmakers such as Nippon Steel Corp. and Posco. Crude-steel demand in Japan, Asia’s largest economy, will probably rise to an almost 35-year high this quarter, the government said yesterday.

Rio is increasing production from its Pilbara operations in Western Australia to 320 million metric tons a year by 2012 and then to 420 million tons a year after that. It produced 145 million tons last year from the mines.

BHP Billiton Ltd., the world’s largest mining company which hasn’t settled new contracts, said June 24 that the prices agreed by Rio are too small to cover extra shipping costs. Chinese steelmakers, the world’s largest consumers of the ore, will resist any attempt by BHP to win a larger price than agreed to with Rio, an official familiar with the talks said June 25.

To contact the reporter on this story: Rebecca Keenan in Melbourne at rkeenan5@bloomberg.net

2_point

been there, done that, hopefully not again. when the oil bust comes, oklahoma may have to revert to the social climate of days gone bye.

rno

2_point

  Interesting sources. :)

  If you haven’t seen this one yet. It’s good.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=esoteric+agenda&hl=en&sitesearch=#q=esoteric%20agenda%20full%20movie&hl=en&sitesearch=

Yea, the banks don’t have money to lend…….

and yet on the radio today I heard the #1 contributor to political cam’panes’ money wise is…….drum roll…..Financial Institutions/substiture bankers. Now, you don’t think they are posistioning themselves for more favorable laws do ya.??!! Bastagses

stevens @ 14:40 pm

   I’ll take a crack at that one.

   I’d look for support at 440 and 418-420, then 410

   Resistance 460 probably some others 475 or so on the way up.

   Dunno if we’ll breach the 520 level his time around - but maybe. I think 520 will be a distant memory in the Fall.

   The charts are always “maybe”. Good for oversold, overbought, but tough as predictors in the HUI especially.

   What does your intuitive sense tell you?

sabregold

All I’m saying if the inflation that zim is experiencing is only from the depreciation of their currency, why  can’t it also happen here?  Zim today is a far cry from  Republic of Rhodesia from 28 years ago.

2 point

Lol Have gun will travel, good idea. Put a picture on the side of the truck of Road Kill and the name of the Market Makers. And on the top Redneck Financial Handyman.