Equisetum - your note the other day.

I didn’t respond yet directly as to whether I was the person SLD spoke of. I should clarify … that you are right, I did meet SLD! We had coffee with Ment a couple of years back, when she came to visit the NW. It was a very nice meeting and I also very much enjoyed meeting her too.

Several years ago there was also a larger gathering of bugs in Seattle, and that is where many of us met for the first time. I have not seen most of those folks since that time, perhaps everyone has been glued to their computer screens since then <G>.

The gathering was moslty from the G-E forum as it stood then. Many people not located in the Pacific NW were also very curious, and one person I know on the East Coast [who everyone knows here] was on the edge of booking plane tickets, to fly out for that meeting and to put faces to names so to speak.

I always enjoy meeting bugs in person. Ment and I still meet up every now and again to catch up on things.

I would appreciate the chance to meet others who are in the area if anyone else would like to do such a thing. If you would ever like to get together for a coffee, I’m certainly up for that.

Best wishes

-Scarab

FGC (23:23) I have been called things worse than ’square’, even by my wife.

Anyway, no problem here - square or round, we need both to make these market analyses go round.  Dont get my wrong - I like what the TA folks offer on their charts.  But I wont buy into a stock if I smell some big obstacle in the way, like a pending land claim involving  a potential mining site, no matter how beautiful the TA guru’s chart looks in respect to trend of the  share price, RSI, MACD etc.etc.

Now to a more important matter.  Mrs. Eq. and I wish you and those dear to you a very pleasant Canada Day. 

And thank you very much for your obviously key contributions  in keeping Goldtent on a roll (or should that be, on a role?).

To All Canadian Posters …..

    HAPPY CANADA DAY

                                     ENJOY AND BE SAFE    

JSmith/Goldbug

Welcome to the tent!! Our family just keeps expanding. Ya’ll have come to the right place for serious discussions about the precious metals and other “REAL” assets.  Look forward to seeing ya’ll here often. All the best.—–aggie.

Fully @ 20:23 …. Not Barrie …. Midland


Equizetum @ 23:09 ….

I believe that one of my major holdings (Northgate Minerals) was in this situation with the Kemees South mine and now again with the Kemees North …. which has yet to receive full approval and is supposed to be settled by this summer.  A lot is riding on the Kemess North to further expand Northgate’s resources and mine life in B.C.  I hope this doesn’t create further complications for receiving the approval. 

this is the last part of Adrian’s great Artical

Derivatives are a bet against volatility. Guess what has happened? Surprise, surprise! Volatility has vanished. The VIX looks like an ECG when the patient has died! Gold has an unofficial $6 rule. The DOW is not allowed to drop more than 200 points and it must rally the following day. Interest rates must not rise, if they do the FED must issue more of their now secret M3, ship it offshore to the Caribbean and pretend that an unknown foreign bank is buying US Treasuries like crazy.

But the sham is coming unglued because the huge excess liquidity that has been injected into the system to prevent it from imploding is showing up as asset bubbles all over the place and shortages of raw materials are everywhere. There is massive inflation going on. There is NO major economy in the world not inflating their money supply by less than 10% annually. But where are the “bond vigilantes”? Where are these super smart traders who dump bonds at the whiff of inflation? Where have they been the last 5 years? This is a major conundrum! No, it’s not! I think you will find that the classical “bond vigilantes” are the same big banks who hold massive concentrations of derivatives and are on the hook for trillions of dollars if interest rates go up. Voila, a bond vigilante can lose his religion overnight in such circumstances!

The details of the bailout of Bear Stearns hedge funds have been kept secret. It is essentially an agreement not to claim on their “insurance policies” because the insurance is a sham.

This may seem smart for the derivative sellers. But what about all the derivative buyers? Are they going to continue to payout premiums and fees for insurance that doesn’t exist? When that panic thought hits the herd there will be a whole new definition of volatility!

When looked at in this perspective, it is pretty clear why gold had to be contained at all costs over the last few days while the Bear Stearns debacle was unfolding. But this has cost The Gold Cartel dearly in dishoarding physical gold. Unlike the ex-bond vigilantes, the buyers of physical gold are not corrupted by being party to the derivatives scam. The average Indian farmer doesn’t even know what one is! The buyers of physical gold keep buying physical gold because it has always been money and always will be money. The buyers of physical gold know that they will be financially secure whatever happens. Some how I suspect that these new whiz-kid invented financial instruments that need to be “engineered” and computer modeled to determine their value will not be around after 6000 years as a store of wealth. Gold is still around after 6000 years and its price is flashed up on the Bloomberg and CNBC screens in real time. My guess is that in the next few years there will be a new contender for the title of “barbarous relic”, and it won’t be gold.

Cheers
Adrian

Equiz…..great Fundamental post

….thanks for that…..do you ever think you are a Square Fundamentalist in a game with only Round Techies..?..hehe

JSmith ….. Goldbug

Welcome to the tent …… we just keep getting bigger and better with each new arrival.   JSmith …. you have to park your horse on the opposite side of the tent away from the camels ……   :grin:

goldbug…you must think you died and went to Paradise…..hehe


Maya @ 16:26

“I was plying the highway in Northern Wisconsin.  Two ruts in the icy sleet… “in the face of a hurricane west wind.”  Sheesh!”  Sounds like the basis for a good song … bet Gordon could pull it off.  

Is that why you moved south …. :grin:

The link below is off-topic for perhaps most readers of Goldtent, but I think it is

of importance to anyone who invests in shares of mining companies that have their proposed field operations in British Columbia - and when I think back to postings over the past few years on G.-E. Gold Forum and then more recently here on Goldtent, a fair number of TA charts have been posted for companies whose business plan is based on a PM or copper or other mineral reserve in British Columbia.

The key point of the link below, in my opinion, is that of the approximately 800 oustanding specific treaty claims in Canada today 352 of them are in British Columbia, more than in any other province in Canada. 

TA charts may look great at times for someone’s favorite PM or metal company planning operations in this province, but I think that an evaluation of the fundamentals should include one’s personal judgement on how  aboriginal land claims are going to be resolved in the vicinity of any one specific proposed mine location.  That criterion is certainly one factor that I put into my decisions before buying shares of a company proposing mine development in British Columbia.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070630.BCNATIVE30/TPStory/?query=native+relations

FGC

No, not to my knowledge, but have been lurker for years after once denied

Remerson,

How bouts we have a chat in the pit…

Goldbug 22:29

Welcome to GoldTent,,

Great handle   ,,Cheers

goldbug welcome…are you related to mr Goldbug from Gold Eagle?


may I propose that those wanting to have a lively discussion on Middle East Politics…and Bible studies and Racism….go to the chat board….and have at it….


Adrian from Lemet…explains the Derivitives mess..

..so even I can understand it…..Bill,
I missed this article from Bloomberg when it was posted on June 27. You have to like the description of derivatives and how the price of derivatives is determined!

QUOTE

www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aMbY7RGPEqQo&refer=home

The most stunning aspect of the demise of two hedge funds belonging to Bear Stearns Cos. is the almost total absence of transparency surrounding the bailout.

The debacle may finally provoke regulators, who have long suspected that buying derivatives is akin to running through a fireworks factory with a lighted blowtorch in each hand.

Their focus is likely to fall on how to assign prices to complex derivatives, created by cooking together different flavors of securities whose values are driven by other assets such as stocks, bonds or mortgages.

The efforts by Bear Stearns’s creditors to extricate themselves from their investments have laid bare one of the derivatives market’s dirty little secrets — prices are mostly generated by a confidence trick.

As long as all of the participants keep a straight face when agreeing on a particular value for a security, that’s the price. As soon as someone starts giggling, however, the jig is up, and the bookkeepers might have to confess to a new, lower price.

END

Mark Gilbert has presented this problem in a light-hearted way but the issue is the most serious one on the planet today. It is naïve to think of the $500 Trillion derivatives market as a sideshow, where some silly prices are agreed for obligations that no one has the creditworthiness to back. This is not just an ugly, non-malignant tumor that can be conveniently cut off. This massive financial activity that bets on the outcome of the pricing of the underlying assets has corrupted the system such that those who would be responsible for paying out orders of magnitude more money than they have if the bets go against them are sucked into a black hole of moral and ethical destitution as they have no other choice but to manipulate the price of the underlying assets to prevent financial ruin.

How can a “$500 Trillion dollar anything” not require regulation as Greenspan vehemently preached. The propaganda perpetrated by the FED is that derivatives are magical financial vehicles that allow risk to be efficiently distributed. Risk of what? It is meant to be the risk of unexpected price changes of the underlying assets that is being spread around. But if the entities who are assuming the risk are not able to pay there is no spread of risk, there is just an illusion of the spread of risk, as Bear Stearns has just discovered.

Derivatives may be complex instruments but the concept is simple. They are insurance contracts against something happening. For example, an interest rate derivative is an insurance policy against interest rates going up beyond a certain level. If they do there is a pay-out to the derivative holder. If not, the derivative expires and the holder has paid an insurance premium for nothing. But the real difference with derivatives from insurance is that insurance is usually for very rare events like a house burning down, or a car being stolen. But derivatives are for protection against mundane things happening like interest rates going up, or the gold price going up, or the stock market going down. These are not catastrophic risks that happen infrequently, they WILL happen at some point in time. What is more if a payout event is triggered, unlike when a house burns down, there will not be just a handful of claims on any one day, payouts will be due in the trillions of dollars on the same day. It is the financial equivalent of a hurricane Katrina hitting every US city on the same day!

Instead of stopping this idiotic sham business from growing to galactic proportions, all the authorities, and all the banks, and all the major financial institutions around the world have heralded it as the best thing since sliced bread. But now all these players are complicit in the crime. They are all on the hook. The stakes are now too high. They must manipulate the underlying assets on a daily basis to prevent triggering the payout of a major derivative event.

Derivatives are a bet against volatility. Guess what has happened? Surprise, surprise! Volatility has vanished. The VIX looks like an ECG when the patient has died! Gold has an unofficial $6 rule. The DOW is not allowed to drop more than 200 points and it must rally the following day. Interest rates must not rise, if they do the FED must issue more of their now secret M3, ship it offshore to the Caribbean and pretend that an unknown foreign bank is buying US Treasuries like crazy.

factsmatter - The Bible says “I will bless

them that bless them (Israel) and curse them that curse them”.   Also, “pray for the peace of Jerusalem”.

New To Goldtent, But Involved In PM since 70/s

Just to say Hello, don’t let this current holding pattern get you down. stay right and stay tight

AuGirl @ 21:41 pm

I believe you are correct!  

factsmatter…we have a problem…

….This is a board that doesnt like Racist Remarks…..a few posters have e mailed me that your last nites post (that i did not see..whe we were dialoging about gold stocks)…is racist..and I have to agree….this is a slander to all (myself included) who share Alan Greenspan’s (and Bernanke’s too)……”ancestory and persuasion……”………..this used to be called antisemitism…havent seen any since i was a kid in the 50s and 60s……..but I remember it….and this is what it looked like….

Posted by factsmatter @ 23:21 pm on June 29, 2007
“sir” Alan Greenspan…and a host of other frauds of similar ancestry and persuasion who all but destroyed what was the American dream.

Uncle Jim’s Words of Wisdom

Many of us here have been trying to hint the same message as Jim’s letter, in so many words this week. When the cartel / hedgies are trying to smash gold for weeks on end, and all we see is a drop from about $680 to $650, that has to be marked down as a complete and utter failure. 

We can be thankful that they’ve worked so diligently on our behalf to discount the metal and dig their own grave. The shares are easier to manipulate and the tape painting has been too obvious and amateur to be even slightly convincing. So has the bashing on various boards I watch… This is a tell, plain and simple, and the hedge funds that pay bashers to do their evil work on internet boards need to finder much better and smarter writers. We can expect them to continue to behave like cornered rats, as that is precisely what they are.

By the way…  thank you all so much for such kind feedback earlier this week.

-Scarab

JSmith 21:25

I think you are my buddy Rem..Clever..best behave yourseLf cowboy,

and I didnt steal your thunder

 

FGC

Not at all trivial, but worthy of discussion. 

Why are we so strongly allegiant to Israel.  It IS related.. imo.. to the price of gold and manipulation of the financial system in general.

Any comments appreciated.